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Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 05:09:18
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Reggae in Belgium...

Yes we have enough live show all over the country, Yes we have
enough sounds in Belgium...but is the scene big in belgium ? I don't think so.

90% of the soundsystem style parties are "youth house & footbal pub" parties without decent sound or comfort. Big up all promotors who still try to do something, in a country as Belgium where people allready start to complain when they have to pay 5 euro entrance. Its a miracle we still succeed to keep organising these "youth house " parties. Most people expect Intl. sounds and local sounds playing 100 % dubplates but refuse to pay more than 5 euro entrance..wft do you expect for 5 euro..if a promotor has to pay the promo, the sound equipment, rent of the location and still pay a sound a fair fee than how the hell do you think a promotor can survive ?

2nd of january i was at a party in Koln with Kingstone sound and Supersonic. The place ram wid more than 1000 people...good sound, nice club, a lot of comfort...but still more than 10 euro entrance and nobody complains.
So why we pretend the scene is big in belgium? Nuff sounds looking for a good location, while nuff locations in belgium wud be wikkid if the scene would grow up. Promotors/sounds just can't organise a dance in an decent club because the massive is not big enough and/or not ready to pay normal prices.

Untill we can't have dances in descent locations with good sound equipment without the promotor taking huge financial risks i refuse to say the scene in Belgium is big.

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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 05:22:36
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BTW...feel free to reply cause the last days this forum is kinda dead

RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 05:35:47
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All true.
But the bigger the foundation with real young people at easy prices, the bigger club-dances are gonna be too. All of us working on it in our own way i guess! It all started like 20 years ago or something in Beljam, Still growing everyday. Keep up the faith and perseverance!
All youthclub and football-pub organisers... some grow out to real big things in small places (Westouter, Geel, Puurs) but just not in one day.
And all big bash promotors and all club-djs... who slowly but surely are making everything better. I think for jamaican music, you need just all that to keep it alive and growing...

The only dj 10 years ago who played dancehall in clubs was Sake I guess? Not? I can be mistaken... Now there still sake, babybang, silverbullit, youthman, TLP, Raggamuffin whiteman, Septik, Civalizee and more playing in decent clubs... Let it grow and work towards it...
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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 06:02:09
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Mike, With all respect but dj's like Sake, Babybang, Septik etc...don't play what i want to hear in decent clubs, those parties are just a different ballgame for another type of crowd.



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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 11:17:17
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To cut a long story short.....Beljam massive is mean, indeed.
free parties are attended by plenty people. 5€ entrance (wich is nutten) and u wont see anybody.
The next thing now is that everybody is doing his own thing, cuss one anneda pon the internet and when they finally meet dem no communicate but kin teeth wid one anneda. Badmind and grudgefull.
I have the same experience wid tourists in Jamaica : dem nah waan spen no money! A cheap holliday in others people missery is what dem waan. Dis-gusting.

big up Houstony for bringing up this topic....truth ago hurt dem

By the way...who waan dubplate? Nuff artists dem pocket bruk....
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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 12:07:29
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To me it seems more like too much sounds are playing the same tunes over and over ... it has been brought up before by some people: the same tunes every dance, sometimes even played 3-5 times the same night. Imho, that's the reason a lot of people often decide to skip a dance when they're doubting to go or not. Also maybe there are a lot of sounds, but you always keep seeing the same names on the line-ups. Seems we're too conservative, both in sounds and tunes.

Another things is (contrary to what Ras Bors says) that the unity is holy, there's no willingness to clash. What clashes did we see that last years between Beljam sounds the last years? We had Ivory vs. Boom-A-Ranks, but that's already a few years ago. And the Future Troubles clash in D-Town. Anything else I forgot? And internationally except for Ivory vs. Sting Like A Bee and Civalizee, not much going on either. While competition pushes a sound to another level, no? Look at the Benelux Cup: Uphill showed their class, and for Civalizee it was a step-up to bigger things.

Plus what 's still making it hard for organising reggae events is the ganja that comes with it, still often makes owners hold back. And with the no smoking restriction in a lot of places, it's also quite a vibekiller.
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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 12:49:50
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houston (and the rest): this is one of the main reasons i don't do organise parties anymore.

You can set up a decent party, but don't make any profit (mostly a loss) because nobody wants to pay for entrance...

i do radio (cost me nothing) now, and sometimes get booked from others. But if you don't organise yourself (where you can invite others), you don't get many bookings from sounds it seems. That's an other problem in Belgium. A lot of sounds only book you when you've booked them before...

but anyway, i still can do my stuff with the radiobroadcasts so for me it's not a real problem anymore.
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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 14:17:02
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The problem is all about money... as we know...
Reggae massive mostly stranded it seems, no money inna dem pocket...
Still when dem reach a dance they complain about the 5 euros at the gate but can easily spend 4 - 5 - x... times this money on the bar...
Does it mean they go a dance to drink more than to appreciate music if them ready to pay the bar but not the sounds ?

RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 15:26:42
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Nuff truth spoken here (Irienation that is a very true point you're making, have witnessed that myself plenty times), but I just want to say personally I'm not a big believer in bigger, better, faster, more. I've seen too many organizers digging their own grave thinking that way.

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RE: Reggae scene in Belgium 20/02/2010 15:28:20
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Another things is (contrary to what Ras Bors says) that the unity is holy, there's no willingness to clash.

For a part i believe there is no willingness to clash because of the fear of loosing, but for the otherhand i think promotors in Belgium can;t pay a sound a decent fee which reflects in the amount of dubs a sounds can buy. It all starts with the money the massive i willing to pay.
Promotor getting more entrance fee = better payed sounds = more cash to buy dubs = easier to clash

Tell is it fair that single DJ's in a RnB circuit get double or triple from what a reggae sound gets while a soundsystem has more than one person in their crew and had to invest their fee in dubs ?

Like i said the massive want it all, for nothing..





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